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Myaru
Gebler Officer
posted August 21, 1999 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Myaru   Click Here to Email Myaru     
I can tell you right now, Elly did not exist on the Eldrige. The diagrams in the book are extremely clear on the points of when Elly was created, when she and Miang split, and when each one began their first transcendance.

This is not to say the basic components to create True Elly (the term includes Miang) were not already in Deus's system. But they were not physically created until the crash. The Existence needed to take something from Abel that would allow it to complete the Mother, or he would have created her without a connection to Fei at all. The perception of Elly's humanity came from Abel, while the perception of Miang's was missing......

In short, it couldn't make Elly complete without a real human perception to base her on. So Abel's humanity is what made Elly.
But when Miang's will was imprinted on Elly, she did not have the benifit of a complete creation. She had no human model, therefore she is simply the "guardian" part of the Mother, without capability of emotion other than what her hosts provide.

(Gah, I hope I'm making sense here. It's clear to me from reading this book and the game, but it's so hard to put it into words......)

Because of that, Miang's sole purpose is to reunite with Deus and her other half (Elly) -- and they are two halves of the whole. The problem is, while they were still one person they were still essentially seperate, so the statement "Elly is 'off' when Deus is 'on'" says that she sort of morphed back and forth until the differing wills split them into two physical representations of the Mother. (Yeah, I know that was sort of off-topic......)

But anyway...... there are only four incarnations of Elly and Fei/Abel (or whatever you want to call him.) That's it. That is also very clear......

Any questions? I can look things up for ya. ^_~

Ja.

-- Amber Michelle




Hyuga Ricdeau
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posted August 21, 1999 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hyuga Ricdeau   Click Here to Email Hyuga Ricdeau     
Well that's my theory regarding Elly as a memory within Abel as the Captain's daughter shot all to hell


BillyLeeBlackTheNonSane
Solarian Citizen
posted August 21, 1999 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BillyLeeBlackTheNonSane   Click Here to Email BillyLeeBlackTheNonSane     
>Any questions? I can look things up for ya. ^_~<

Just a couple actually ^^;;
well, according to the info I heard now, it appears that "system hawwa" was implanted inside that human project inside Zohar,which created Miang once they split. How off am I?

Abel made contact before or after the crash? If before, then when did the mother split?

Is the relationship between Abel and Cain ever mentioned? (ie, why is Cain trying to kill them?)

Ok, does the PW ever mention what happens *after* the ending to Miang Elly and Fei? If Dues is destroyed then they cannot reincarnate? or is the reincarnation independant of the contact with existence?

Myaru
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posted August 21, 1999 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Myaru   Click Here to Email Myaru     
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Miang existed before they split, of course..... they were still one being until Miang created the first 13 humans (Cain and the Gazel) and died.

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He contacted Zohar before the crash, and Zohar preserved his life, as well as used his humanity to complete True Elly. The rest is answered above.

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Not that I can see. I haven't really looked through Fei's profile pages in the book though -- and I've only looked at the part about Ramsus in Cain's profile. I'll have to look...... this might take a bit.

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While merged with Deus, Fei destroyed the Urobolus Factor all together (in Elly as well), thereby destroying Miang's base essence. However...... the Wave Existence still exists, though it is not so nearby anymore. While it is possible they may still transmigrate, I highly doubt it. The new race of humans might still carry Urobolus, but Elly herself no longer possesses the Factor.

And now that the Existence is free, there is no reason for Fei to transmigrate either. So they truly broke the cycle of the Contact and the Anti-type.

Ja.

-- Amber Michelle



BillyLeeBlackTheNonSane
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posted August 21, 1999 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BillyLeeBlackTheNonSane   Click Here to Email BillyLeeBlackTheNonSane     
>Not that I can see. I haven't really looked through Fei's profile pages in the book though -- and I've only looked at the part about Ramsus in Cain's profile. I'll have to
look...... this might take a bit.<

ah, I don't really mind-since I hate Fei anyway ^^;; just something I thought I could add to my fanfic (because, the first chapter has so little stuff in it its almost a crime to exist) Anything important to note about Miang Elly Cain and the Gazel ministry during Abel timeline of importance not mentioned in the game or the site? @_@ yes this question is loaded -_- so if you choose not to reply its ok

>However...... the Wave Existence still exists, though it is not so nearby anymore.<

Does that also mean that Elly and Fei lost their "courage" and "will" status too?

>The new race of humans might still carry Urobolus, but Elly herself no longer possesses the Factor. <

Not only the new race but probably also the survivors of Shevat?

>And now that the Existence is free, there is no reason for Fei to transmigrate either. So they truly broke the cycle of the Contact and the Anti-type.<

Which kind of destroys any possibility of a sequel ;_;


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