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"the Urobulous Ring" , Tue 1 Aug 19:37


can someone explain to me about Urobulous and what it means?

From what I gather, I think that Urobulous is the piece of DNA that allows Fei and Elly to remember their past lives.

But other than that.. Anyone care to help me out?

"The body is but a vessel for the soul
A puppet which bends to the soul's tyranny
And lo the body is not eternal
For it must feed on the flesh of others
Lest it return to the dust whence it came
Therefore must the soul
Decieve despise and murder men."
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"Re: the Urobulous Ring" , Thu 3 Aug 23:58


I'm not sure, but Urobolus in the end appears as a snake angel (?) with the head of a woman. Possibly it's the "Miang factor" in all women as mentioned in the game?

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"Re(1):the Urobulous Ring" , Tue 1 Aug 20:49


The Uroborus(it was a mistranslation) is a serpent devouring it's own tail. It usually symbolizes cycles, and the power that an individual or group has (i guess you have to be strong to devour yourself and survive). It think in Xenogears it represents the cycle of the anti-type and Miang. I'm not sure if the contact had a Urobolus Ring or not, that's a question to ask Myaru.

"Have you ever been in love?" Kissoon replied.
"Yes I think so."
"Then you've been to Quiddity twice. Once the first night you slept out of the womb. The second occassion the night you lay beside the woman you loved. Or man was it?" He laughed. "Whichever."
"Quiddity is the sea."
"Quiddity is the sea. And in it are islands called the Ephemeris."
"I want to go there." Jaff breathed.
"You will. One more time you will."
"When?"
"The last night of your life. That's all we ever get."
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"Re(2):the Urobulous Ring" , Wed 2 Aug 06:54


My interpretation is that the Urobolous ring was an entity tied into the DNA strand of the anti-type and possibly the Contact although I'm unsure of him. It's basically what keeps them reincarnating in the hope that they will free the wave existence. Of course a perfect incarnation would have the full ring present in their body. Presumably Fei was tested when he was a child and Elly's was located by Krelian when they got captured. At the end of the game the final thing you fight symbolises Urobolus and destroying it means they wont be reincarnated anymore

Not too sure about that last point but there you have it my opinion unaided by perfect works

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"Urobulous Ring - definition?" , Fri 4 Aug 01:49


The Urobolus factor is the essence of Miang that exists in all women -- it is what allows her to transmigrate between bodies. It also holds the memories of the Contact and the Anti-type; although it doesn't affect Fei in the same way as Elly (he obviously won't be possessed by Miang), it is the 'intron' that stores the essence of their nature.

So yes, Fei also has it, because he is the son of a woman descended from Miang and the original humans. It just doesn't hold the same potential in a man that it does in a woman.

I wonder, just idly... if perhaps the Urobolus in each woman changes the bodies when Miang possesses them... I never really looked into whether or not her ether power is restricted according to her body (meaning restricted to the original potential of each body), or if Urobolus allows her to use her full ether potential. She didn't seem to be having problems in the game, but the girl she lives in could have been strong in that area...


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"Re(1):Urobulous Ring - definition?" , Sat 5 Aug 22:15


Well, biology is not exactly my best science, but I was pretty good at genetics for some odd reason, so... Okay, there actually /is/ a bit of scientific basis for Krelian's explanation of the Urobourous Ring, though I'm assuming it made more sense in the original. ^^; Introns are basically portions of a human genome which do not contribute anything to the individual's physical makeup-- during sequencing, when the DNA replicates itself, the introns are the portions of the code which are cut out. They do contain genes, but exactly what purpose these genes serve is unknown-- one theory is that they contain evolutionary remnants, genes which are no longer necessary for our survival as a species.

Anyway, if the Urobourous code is contained in the introns, this actually makes some amount of sense, or at least it does with my admittedly limited knowledge of how genes work. ^^; I'm guessing that what happens when Miang takes over a new body is that the Urobouros code becomes a series of active, functioning genes-- it basically turns them on and affects whatever physical changes take place when a woman becomes Miang. In another thread I was discussing how Urobouros might possibly relate to the unlimited Ether capacity that only a few people seem to possess, and I think that's possible as well-- I also think it's possible that Grahf somehow learned to use the Urobouros genes to transmigrate his own existence, or at least to transfer the unlimited Ether capacity to his current host, if indeed there is a genetic connection (presupposing that in "normal" individuals the gene or genes allowing for unlimited Ether capacity is "turned off," so to speak...).

Hm. Well, I'm starting to babble, so I guess I should end this for now. ^.^;;


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